Re: lug-bg: Open Fest

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ej chowek da ne kaze neshto, Commrade Shopov, po prochete malko za Debian posle
pishete, Debian e wse oshte edinstwenia linux kojto ima updates, non stop, za
razlika ot Mandrake, Red Cap, i Slackware kojto e ot distro to distro.

Kato si prawite festcheto, ne se ochudwajte zashto e tolkowa slab interesa, i
zashto ot ideiata "daj da minem na Linux" wse poweche hora kazwat, be #$%
mamata, ne mi se chete i majstori, w windoze wsichko si raboti, bulgarskata
rabota kato kucheto na nivata kakto winagi ....

Öèòàò íà ïèñìî îò Alexander Shopov <al_shopov_lug_at_yahoo.com>:

<em class="quotelev1">> ep98_at_mail.bg wrote:
<em class="quotelev1">> [êðúö]
<em class="quotelev1">> (àáå òîâà ñ "êðúö" ìîæå ëè äà ñå àâòîìàèòèçèðà? ïðèìåðíî àêî èçòðèÿ íåùî
<em class="quotelev1">> îò ïèñìîòî, íà êîåòî îòãîâàðÿì, è äà èçëåçå "[êðúö]"?
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev2">> > Kak edin user ot sredno nivo, moze za 20 min, da si pusne Apche, FTPD,
<em class="quotelev2">> > IRCD, Firewall i Proxy pod X11(w chastnost KDE)
<em class="quotelev1">> Èìà ðàçëèêà ìåæäó òîâà äà ãè ïóñíåø è òîâà äà ãè ïóñíåø êàòî õîðàòà. Àêî
<em class="quotelev1">> íà ïîòðåáèòåëÿ ìó ëèïñâàò îñíîâíè ïîíÿòèÿ çà ñèãóðíîñò, òîé ìîæå äà ñè
<em class="quotelev1">> ãè ïóñíå, íî äà íå å â ïî-äîáðî ïîëîæåíèå îòêîëêîòî â Óèíäîóñ. Íå ñúì
<em class="quotelev1">> ñèãóðåí äîêîëêî òî÷íî òîçè ïðèìåð å ïîäõîäÿù. Íàïðèìåð â X11 ñ ðàçíè
<em class="quotelev1">> ôàòêè ìîæå äà íàïðàâèø ÷óäíà èíñòàëàöèÿ - ïîëçâàø ïðîñòè Õ ñúðâúðè -
<em class="quotelev1">> íàïðèìåð ñòàðè ïåíòèóì÷åòà è ñå âðúçâàø êúì ìîùíà ìàøèíà. Äîêîëêîòî ñè
<em class="quotelev1">> ñïîìíÿì èìà äàæå òàêúâ âàðèàíò ñ ÊÄÅ â àäìèíèñòðàöèÿòà íà åäèí ãðàä â
<em class="quotelev1">> ÑÀÙ, íî íå ñå ñåùàì êîé òî÷íî. Òîâà îáà÷å íå å çà ñëàáîõàðàêòåðíèòå è
<em class="quotelev1">> íåçíàåùèòå.
<em class="quotelev1">> Òîëêîâà ñïåöèàëèçèðàíà è òåõíè÷åñêè-îðèåíòèðàíà òåìà íå å â öåíòúðà íà
<em class="quotelev1">> Îóïúí Ôåñò-à. Íî àêî íÿêîé èñêà äà ðàçâèå ïîäîáíà òåìà çà ëåêöèÿ èëè
<em class="quotelev1">> ïðåçåíòàöèÿ, ùå áúäå õóáàâî.
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev1">> [êðúö]
<em class="quotelev2">> > Za nachinaeshtite (edin debian s raziasnenie shto e to APT i kakwi sa mu
<em class="quotelev2">> > pliuswoete (kato se srawni s RPM i negodnia TGZ na slackware.
<em class="quotelev2">> > (zashto debian li, shtoto pod RedCAP, ne wseki sredno nivo ili puk
<em class="quotelev1">> Õì, Äåáèàí íå å ëîøà äèñòðèáóöèÿ, íî íå å èäåàëíàòà. Çà ìåí ïðîáëåì ñà
<em class="quotelev1">> íàïðèìåð ëèïñàòà íà ÷åñòè âåðñèè, êîåòî îçíà÷àâà, ÷å òðÿáâà äà ñè
<em class="quotelev1">> èíñòàëèðàì CD îòïðåäè ãîäèíà-äâå è äà äúðïàì ïàêåòè êàòî íåíîðìàëåí ïî
<em class="quotelev1">> òåëåôîííàòà æèöà - íå å íàé-äîáðèÿ âàðèàíò. Àêî îáà÷å èìàì êàáåëåí
<em class="quotelev1">> èíòåðíåò ìîæå è äà ñå ðåøà íÿêîé äåí... Èíñòàëàöèÿòà íà òèïè÷íèÿ Äåáèàí
<em class="quotelev1">> ñúùî íå å òîëêîâà ïðèâåòëèâà êúì ïîòðåáèòåëÿ êàêòî òåçè íà ÐåäÕàò, ÑóÇå
<em class="quotelev1">> è Ìàíäðåéê.
<em class="quotelev1">> Apt íå å àíàëîã íà RPM. RPM å DEB â Äåáèàí. À Apt ãî èìà è ñå ïîëçâà è
<em class="quotelev1">> çà RPM äèñòðèáóöèè. Ïðîáëåìà ñ ìíîãîòî RPM-òà å, ÷å òîçè ôîðìàò ñå
<em class="quotelev1">> èçïîëçâà â ìíîãî äèñòðèáóöèè, äîêàòî DEB ñå èçïîëçâà ãëàâíî â Äåáèàí è
<em class="quotelev1">> íåãîâèòå ñðîäíè äèñòðèáóòèâè. (çàòîâà òè èçãëåæäà ïî-ñúâìåñòèì, ìàêàð
<em class="quotelev1">> òîâà äà íå å òàêà)
<em class="quotelev1">> È DEB è RPM èìàò íÿêàêâè ìàëêè ïðåäèìñòâà, íî íå òîëêîâà ãîëåìè, ÷å äà
<em class="quotelev1">> ñå îïðåäåëè åäíîçíà÷åí ïîáåäèòåë. Àêî èñêàø -íàïðàâè ïðåçåíòàöèÿ çà òîâà
<em class="quotelev1">> èëè çà Äåáèàí.
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev1">> [êðúö]
<em class="quotelev2">> > za naprednali i nachinaeshti (installacia na Wine ot WineHQ i WineX ot
<em class="quotelev2">> > Transgaming, suwmestna rabota na dwete na edna stancia, nastrojki na
<em class="quotelev2">> > windowskite igri za Linux, s cel (hmm wie si ia znaete)
<em class="quotelev1">> Òåìàòà çà ñúâìåñòèìîñòòà ìåæäó ÃÍÓ/Ëèíóêñ è Óèäîóñ å ìíîãî ïî-øèðîêà.
<em class="quotelev1">> Äàæå ñè ìèñëÿ äà ïîíàïèøà òîâà îíîâà.
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev1">> [êðúö]
<em class="quotelev2">> > Kato zapchnete na dawate kachestweno obiasnenie na wuprosi ot roda na
<em class="quotelev2">> > "Ne mi raboti PPP-to" i wie da go prepratite kum HOWTO, towa ne e nachin
<em class="quotelev2">> > da zapalite niakoi po ideiata Linux - howtota mnogo, kolkoto ti dusha
<em class="quotelev1">> Êîãàòî ïî÷íåø äà èíâåñòèðàø ñîáñòâåíîòî ñè ñâîáîäíî âðåìå â òîâà äà
<em class="quotelev1">> ïîìàãàø íà íÿêîé, êîéòî ìîæå è äà íå çàñëóæàâà, è êîãàòî ïî÷íåø äà
<em class="quotelev1">> ëèøàâàø ñåáå ñè îò ñúí, à ñåìåéñòâîòî ñè îò ïðèñúñòâèå, çíà÷åíèåòî íà
<em class="quotelev1">> ïðåïðàùàíåòî êúì HOWTO-òà ùå òè ñå èçÿñíè.
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev2">> > iska, 90% ot tiah sa oit of date, ostanalite 10% sa pisani za RedCap
<em class="quotelev2">> > Windows, kojto ne e mnogo po LSB standart, samo malko w levo.....
<em class="quotelev1">> Àäè äà ïðîâåðèø ôàêòèòå, à íå äà ñå óïîâàâàø íà ñëóõîâå.
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev1">> [êðúö]
<em class="quotelev2">> > Moze da im raziasnite primerno, zashto wse poweche i poweche (normalni
<em class="quotelev2">> > durzawi, s zdravo misleshto pravitelstwo), zabraniha polzwaneto na
<em class="quotelev2">> > Windows po administrativni centrove i prawitelstweni organizacii (ne s
<em class="quotelev2">> > prostia otgovor shtoto windows Sux, ami stoto nemoze towa i towa)
<em class="quotelev1">> Íèùî íå ñå çàõâúðëÿ. Òåõíîëîãèÿòà íå ñå ïðîìåíÿ îò äíåñ çà óòðå. Ðàáîòà
<em class="quotelev1">> ïî ïîääðúæêà íà Ìàéêðîñîôò ðåøåíèÿ ùå èìà è ñëåä 20ã. (íàïðèìåð è â
<em class="quotelev1">> ìîìåíòà ñå ïîääúðæàò ðåøåíèÿ (íå ñà íà MS) ñúçäàäåíè îùå ïðåç 60-òå,
<em class="quotelev1">> ïèñàíè íà ÊÎÁÎË çà íÿêîÿ øàíòàâà àðõèòåêòóðà). Îñíîâíè ïðåäèìñòâà íà
<em class="quotelev1">> ÃÍÓ/Ëèíóêñ ñà ñúâìåñòèìîñò íà ðåøåíèåòî è íåçàâèñèìîñò îò îïðåäåëåí
<em class="quotelev1">> äîñòàâ÷èê.
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev2">> > Ima i pone oshte 10 000 ideiki s koito moze da "pomognete" i ubedite
<em class="quotelev2">> > horata w polzata ot towa da polzwat GNU i Debian, wmesto Windows i
<em class="quotelev2">> > ActiveX....
<em class="quotelev1">> "Äàéòå äà äàäåì!" = "Äà âçåìåì äà âçåìåì!"
<em class="quotelev1">> Íå èñêàø ëè è òè äà ñè ÷àñò îò îñúùåñòâÿâàíåòî íà ïîíå åäíà îò òåçè 10
<em class="quotelev1">> 000 èäåè?
<em class="quotelev1">>
<em class="quotelev1">> Ïçäðàâè:
<em class="quotelev1">> àë_øîïîâ
<em class="quotelev1">>
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