lug-bg: Fw: That damned Linux and

[teodor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Teodor Georgiev)]

    Tova e pismo ot thread v edin mailing list na isp-planet, a imenno
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Chetete i se posmeite. Kakvi umni hora sa amerikancite.
Mi da me proshtavat, ama s toia nachin na mislene na srednia amerikanec,
nishto chudno, che edna shepa riazani
bradati polugramotni kozli sa im vzeli straha i koshmara.

Kakto kazvashe moiata uchitelka po filosofia: "Srednostatisticheskiat
amerikanec e s izkluchitelno niska kultura,
agresiven i s nadnormeno teglo".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Bauer" <dbauer@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <isp-nt@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: That damned Linux and

> Along these lines I totally agree.  I can still program with the some of
> the best of them and yet I would rather be a sys admin (not saying that
> I have a total brain here)  but I would like to point out ALL HAIL UNCLE
> BILL because with out some of the crap that he puts out I would not have
> a job at least I can do something that I like.  All I am saying is why
> make things harder then they need to be.  Make it easy because not
> everyone wants to know all the things that you would have to know with
> Linux they just want a computer to type there papers and get emails and
> some even like to program in Windows.  I like Microsoft (even though I
> use to work for them) to the extent that I teach my son how to program
> with C++ and VB so he knows what he wants to know without having to know
> a lot of extra crap about how the OS works.  He just wants to play games
> and tinker anyway so why discourage him with trying to understand how to
> run a shell when if he wants I will teach him or he will learn on his
> own.  I have to say that all of the Microsoft Bashing that goes on is
> because everyone wants to know how to get the code for the Operating
> systems so that you can tweak then.  If that is not the case then why
> bother bashing them in the first place run what you like.  I run
> multiple platforms all the time there are something's that I like to do
> in Linux something's that I like to do in Windows.  So it makes little
> difference to me what OS is out and is the flavor of the month.  I will
> tell you that real computer people are the same.  They don't care what
> OS is on the machine because they have their favorite and ones they
> hate.  But bashing gets you know where because all the people that you
> bash one will be the person to help you on another day.
>
> Dennis Bauer
> Colorado School of Mines
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Zadarnowski [mailto:fanjet@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:38 AM
> To: isp-nt@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: That damned Linux and
>
>
> bscott@xxxxxxxxxx said:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Phillip Zadarnowski wrote:
>
> >> If I had kids at school, Linux and some half-assed office software is
>
> >> the last thing I'd want them learning to use.
>
> >Ahem.  I object to the "half-assed" comment.
>
> Objection overruled :-)
>
> >I also ask why you would
> >want your hypothetical children learning only how to use particular
> >application or operating system, rather than learning how to use a
> computer.
> >That is what your comment implies.
>
> Because its like learning to drive under the rules of a particular
> country and state, not just learning to drive. One is very specific and
> lets you get about legally and safely and productively in the state you
> learn to drive in, the other is generic and while you can surely "drive"
> any vehicle, it isn't practical, legal or safe.
>
> >>If these children learned how to use a
> >>computer, they would have no trouble ramping up on something new.
>
> I'm not sure what you think using a computer implies, but 90% plus
> people use computers as the tool that it is, and the really important
> part is the application knowledge. Few users can run a shell or a
> command box to good effect. Windows, be it xwindows, Mac, or Win is
> essentially generic. One thing for sure, experience in common and well
> regarded software counts for more than knowing how to do some low-level
> utility stuff across a half dozen platforms.
>
> I'm not advocating the dumbing down of users - they just start off that
> way and very few need to progress outside of a set of packages and
> procedures. The world is awash with Software Horrors, but MS, bless
> Gates' black monopomistic soul, lets us face our daily (and nightly)
> grind with some dignity.
>
> >>Only by brainwashing them into thinking that Microsoft is the only
> >>software company in existence would there be a problem.
>
> That's just political talk, not practical talk.
>
> >> Also, the rest of the world isn't interested in the US's
> >> categorization of monopoly companies.
>
> >True.  Of course, if anything, Microsoft is in more trouble with
> >anti-trust regulators outside of the US.  Both the EU and Japan have
> >had their eye on them for some time.
>
> And none of them will do a damn thing because their legal systems are
> virtually powerless in this regard.
>
> >>A computer system being used for production work requires significant
> >>effort to administer, regardless of whether it is Microsoft-based,
> >>Unix-based, or something else entirely. This misconception that NT and
>
> >>IIS are somehow "easier" to administer is what lead to things like
> >>Code Red and Nimda being such a problem.
>
> No, absolute dimwitted coding by MS is what lets a malformed string
> crash the package and OS into a unsecure heap, and MS isn't the only
> one.
>
> True, amin is never easy, but there is considerably less messing around
> in Windows.
>
> I'm a born-again geek - been down to the depths through pcode and
> machine code to the heights of user idiocy and back. To me, the
> transformation of my computer when I swap out Drive 1 "XP/W2K/98" with
> Drive 2 "Redhat/SuSE" is going from a friendly relationship of some 6
> years into a pit of darkened hell with its gadget-strewn desktops and
> nerve-jangling would-be office systems.
>
> Dammit, I luv MS to death, I can't help it. I'm sure -- I can feel it in
> my brittle bones -- that MS is secretly working up Billux V1.0 and
> writing IE9.9 and Office LX to thrill the world in 2005. World Software
> Domination for MS is just an announcement away. All your OS are belong
> to us, and for good measure, all your Office Systems are belong to us
> too, thus goes the MS litany of The Future according to Bill.
>
> Ah the good old days of OS9, Transputers, Occam and True Basic have left
> me forever.
>
> Praise Bill.
>
>
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