Re: lug-bg: [jean-christophe.andre@xxxxxxx: [Tech] [rene@xxxxxxxxxx: Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security assurance with Debian vs. RedHat vs. SuSE)]]

[teodor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Teodor Georgiev)]

tyi lyzhe baba decata, che izqli iaicata :)))

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From: "Andrei Boyanov" <andrei@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: lug-bg: [jean-christophe.andre@xxxxxxx: [Tech] [rene@xxxxxxxxxx:
Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security assurance with Debian vs.
RedHat vs. SuSE)]]

> Zdravejte,
>
> Edno sravnenie mejdu Debian i Slackware ot dosta otdavnashen potrebitel na
Linux (pochti ot nachaloto na syshtestvivaneto na Linux)
>
> rgds,
>
> Andrei
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security assurance with
> Debian vs. RedHat vs. SuSE)
> From: René Seindal <rene@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Patrick Hsieh <pahud@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Brad B <ion@xxxxxxxxx>, debian-security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 08:49, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
> > Hello Brad B <ion@xxxxxxxxx>,
> >
> > Agree. Can someone give any persuasive reason for me to say goodbye to
> > Slackware and embrace Debian? They differ a lot in their philosophy and
> > development model. Is there any guys switching from Slackware to Debian?
>
> I switched from Slackware to Debian about a year ago, and it is one of
> the best things I ever did.  This is not to say I didn't like Slackware,
> because I did, but Debian has some distinct advantages once you get a
> hold of it.
>
> I came to Slackware from SLS, which was were I started back in 1992.
> There weren't so many distros around back then, and SLS was very good
> with floppies.   Both SLS and later Slackware was very BSD like, which
> suited me as I came to Linux from a BSD/Mt.Xinu/SunOS background.
>
> So I used SLS/Slackware for some nine years.
>
> Compared to Slackware (as it was when I used it) Debian is heaven.
>
>         * There are many more packages for Debian so the probability of
>           finding a given piece of software already packaged is much
>           higher.  My /usr/local is continously diminishing in size as I
>           can automate the maintenance of packages I previous had to
>           install by hand.
>         * Packages come pre-configured, practically always in a very
>           sensible way, so the effort of adaptation of the installed
>           software is minimal, very often just answering a few debconf
>           questions.  Some packages are more complicated, like INN, but
>           in any case it runs sensibly out of the box so you point of
>           departure is better.
>         * Locating, downloading and installing a package is just one
>           command, which is so much easier than in Slackware, where you
>           have to locate and download the package by hand.
>         * Dependencies are handled automatically by apt-get, so there is
>           no time wasted hunting down all the prerequisites for a
>           packages.  Just "apt-get install package" and you'llbe asked
>           if there are missing dependencies.
>         * The division between stable, testing and unstable gives a very
>           useful choice between several versions of the same package.
>           With a bit of skill in pinning it is very easy to have mixed
>           installs.  Personally I use mostly woody with a touch of sid.
>         * Day to day maintenance is a breeze.  I have a weekly cronjob
>           that does a "apt-get update; apt-get -s dist-upgrade" so I get
>           a report of what's new every week.  The actual upgrade is just
>           "apt-get dist-upgrade" which I do by hand.
>         * The upgrade path is incredibly smooth.  With Slackware I
>           normally kept two root file systems, and I installed
>           alternately on one or the other, so I could always return to a
>           working system if the install went wrong.  Afterwards there
>           was a period where I would move configuration files from the
>           old system to the new.  There was no safe way of moving from
>           one major release to the next less of reinstalling.  With
>           Debian it is little more than changing the sources.list and
>           doing an "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade".  I have
>           noticed that an upgrade from potato to woody could require an
>           "apt-get install apt dpkg dpkg-utils" before the dist-upgrade,
>           because there had been some changes in functionality in apt
>           and dpkg, but this is a minor issue compared to a complete
>           reinstall.
>         * Debian packaging is much more complicated than Slackware's,
>           but also much more powerful.  There is a rather steep learning
>           curve, but once apprehended, almost everything can be achieved
>           with just the three programs apt-get(8), apt-cache(8) and
>           dpkg(8) from a commandline.  Building you own packages is a
>           bit complicated, but it can be learned in a day if necessary.
>
> Besides these practical things you get a community of devoted
> maintainers, a centralised bugtracking system, a social contract,
> written policies with a steadfast dedication to free software,
> numerous fora for user to user communication (email and web-based), ...
>
> Debian is free software incarnate.
>
>
>
> --
> René Seindal (rene@xxxxxxxxxx)              http://www.seindal.dk/rene/
>
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