Re: lug-bg: [jean-christophe.andre@xxxxxxx: [Tech] [rene@xxxxxxxxxx: Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security assurance with Debian vs. RedHat vs. SuSE)]]

[valeri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (* Valeri Angelov *)]

Hehehe :-) Dobre go kaza :P~
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From: "Teodor Georgiev" <teodor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: lug-bg: [jean-christophe.andre@xxxxxxx: [Tech]
[rene@xxxxxxxxxx: Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security
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> tyi lyzhe baba decata, che izqli iaicata :)))
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> From: "Andrei Boyanov" <andrei@xxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: lug-bg: [jean-christophe.andre@xxxxxxx: [Tech] [rene@xxxxxxxxxx:
> Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security assurance with Debian
vs.
> RedHat vs. SuSE)]]
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> > Zdravejte,
> >
> > Edno sravnenie mejdu Debian i Slackware ot dosta otdavnashen potrebitel
na
> Linux (pochti ot nachaloto na syshtestvivaneto na Linux)
> >
> > rgds,
> >
> > Andrei
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Slackware vs Debian (was: Re: Quality of security assurance
with
> > Debian vs. RedHat vs. SuSE)
> > From: René Seindal <rene@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Patrick Hsieh <pahud@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: Brad B <ion@xxxxxxxxx>, debian-security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 08:49, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
> > > Hello Brad B <ion@xxxxxxxxx>,
> > >
> > > Agree. Can someone give any persuasive reason for me to say goodbye to
> > > Slackware and embrace Debian? They differ a lot in their philosophy
and
> > > development model. Is there any guys switching from Slackware to
Debian?
> >
> > I switched from Slackware to Debian about a year ago, and it is one of
> > the best things I ever did.  This is not to say I didn't like Slackware,
> > because I did, but Debian has some distinct advantages once you get a
> > hold of it.
> >
> > I came to Slackware from SLS, which was were I started back in 1992.
> > There weren't so many distros around back then, and SLS was very good
> > with floppies.   Both SLS and later Slackware was very BSD like, which
> > suited me as I came to Linux from a BSD/Mt.Xinu/SunOS background.
> >
> > So I used SLS/Slackware for some nine years.
> >
> > Compared to Slackware (as it was when I used it) Debian is heaven.
> >
> >         * There are many more packages for Debian so the probability of
> >           finding a given piece of software already packaged is much
> >           higher.  My /usr/local is continously diminishing in size as I
> >           can automate the maintenance of packages I previous had to
> >           install by hand.
> >         * Packages come pre-configured, practically always in a very
> >           sensible way, so the effort of adaptation of the installed
> >           software is minimal, very often just answering a few debconf
> >           questions.  Some packages are more complicated, like INN, but
> >           in any case it runs sensibly out of the box so you point of
> >           departure is better.
> >         * Locating, downloading and installing a package is just one
> >           command, which is so much easier than in Slackware, where you
> >           have to locate and download the package by hand.
> >         * Dependencies are handled automatically by apt-get, so there is
> >           no time wasted hunting down all the prerequisites for a
> >           packages.  Just "apt-get install package" and you'llbe asked
> >           if there are missing dependencies.
> >         * The division between stable, testing and unstable gives a very
> >           useful choice between several versions of the same package.
> >           With a bit of skill in pinning it is very easy to have mixed
> >           installs.  Personally I use mostly woody with a touch of sid.
> >         * Day to day maintenance is a breeze.  I have a weekly cronjob
> >           that does a "apt-get update; apt-get -s dist-upgrade" so I get
> >           a report of what's new every week.  The actual upgrade is just
> >           "apt-get dist-upgrade" which I do by hand.
> >         * The upgrade path is incredibly smooth.  With Slackware I
> >           normally kept two root file systems, and I installed
> >           alternately on one or the other, so I could always return to a
> >           working system if the install went wrong.  Afterwards there
> >           was a period where I would move configuration files from the
> >           old system to the new.  There was no safe way of moving from
> >           one major release to the next less of reinstalling.  With
> >           Debian it is little more than changing the sources.list and
> >           doing an "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade".  I have
> >           noticed that an upgrade from potato to woody could require an
> >           "apt-get install apt dpkg dpkg-utils" before the dist-upgrade,
> >           because there had been some changes in functionality in apt
> >           and dpkg, but this is a minor issue compared to a complete
> >           reinstall.
> >         * Debian packaging is much more complicated than Slackware's,
> >           but also much more powerful.  There is a rather steep learning
> >           curve, but once apprehended, almost everything can be achieved
> >           with just the three programs apt-get(8), apt-cache(8) and
> >           dpkg(8) from a commandline.  Building you own packages is a
> >           bit complicated, but it can be learned in a day if necessary.
> >
> > Besides these practical things you get a community of devoted
> > maintainers, a centralised bugtracking system, a social contract,
> > written policies with a steadfast dedication to free software,
> > numerous fora for user to user communication (email and web-based), ...
> >
> > Debian is free software incarnate.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > René Seindal (rene@xxxxxxxxxx)              http://www.seindal.dk/rene/
> >
> >
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