Re: lug-bg: Prenasochwane na trafik

[netadmin@xxxxxx (Peyo Hristov)]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Boyan Krosnov" <bkrosnov@xxxxxxxx>
To: <lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: lug-bg: Prenasochwane na trafik

úÄÒÁ×ÅÊ âÏÑÎÅ.
âÌÁÇÏÄÁÒÑ ÚÁ ÉÚÞÅÒÐÁÔÅÌÎÏÔÏ ÄÏÐßÌÎÉÔÅÌÎÏ ÒÁÚÑÓÎÅÎÉÅ.
íÉÓßÌÔÁ ÍÉ ÂÅÛÅ, ÞÅ × ÎÉËÁËß× ÓÌÕÞÁÊ ÎÅ ÍÏÖÅ ÄÁ ÓÅ ÐÏÓÔÉÇÎÅ Ó×ÏÂÏÄÁ ËÁÔÏ ×
LAN ÍÒÅÖÉÔÅ ÂÁÚÉÒÁÎÉ ÎÁ Fiber/UTP.
÷ÓÉÞËÏ ÔÏ×Á Å ÔÁËÁ. âÉÈ ÉÓËÁÌ ÏÂÁÞÅ ÄÁ ÔÅ ÐÏÐÉÔÁÍ - ËÏÌËÏ ËÁÂÅÌÎÉ ÏÐÅÒÁÔÏÒÉ
ÒÁÚÐÏÌÁÇÁÔ Ó DOCSIS 1.1 ÉÌÉ DOCSIS 2.0 ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á? ïÓ×ÅÎ ÔÏ×Á ÍÏÄÅÍÉÔÅ,
ËÏÉÔÏ ÐÒÅÏÂÌÁÄÁ×ÁÔ × ÍÏÍÅÎÔÁ ÓÁ Ó DOCSIS 1.0.
ãÅÎÁÔÁ, ËÏÑÔÏ ÄÁÄÏÈ ÚÁ ÐÒÉÍÅÒ($38000), ÂÅÛÅ ÏÒÉÅÎÔÉÒÏ×ßÞÎÁ ÚÁ CMTS 1:8 +
ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÑ×ÁÝÉÑÔ ÐÏÔÒÅÂÉÔÅÌÓËÉ ÏÒÉÅÎÔÉÒÁÎ Winboze software.

P.S.
úÁÐÁÚ×ÁÍ ÓÉ ÐÒÁ×ÏÔÏ ÎÁ ÌÉÞÎÁ ËÏÒÅÓÐÏÎÄÅÎÃÉÑ Ó ÔÅÂ, ÁËÏ ÎÅ ×ßÚÒÁÚÑ×ÁÛ

> tehnicheski stoqt taka neshtata.... s malki dopylneniq.
>
> Vseki modem se nastrojva da ogranichava trafika. V DOCSIS 1.0 moje da
ogranichava skorostta na predavane i priemane na trafik. V DOCSIS 1.1 imash
i klasove trafik, taka che moje na samiq modem da se nastroi da ti
ogranichava primerno internet, peering i vytreshen trafik po razlichen
nachin.
>

> I downstreama i upstreama sa TDM, kojto se kontrolira ot CMTS-a. Ako
CMTS-a go kontrolira nqma nikakyv shans kym edin modem da ima poweche trafik
ot kolkoto mu se polaga. Nqma nikakyv shans edin modem da izlychva v
time-slot kojto ne specialno zadelen lichno za nego.
>

> Za da se "skalirat" podobni mreji se pravi segmentaciq na mrejata.
Tipichnite otnosheniq na broj upstreams kym broj downstreams e 1/4 do 1/6.
Obache vseki upstream moje idva ot razlichen "klon" ili nqkolko "klona" na
optichno-mednata kabelna mreja. Syshtoto e i sys downstream-ite. Moje da
imash edin downstream za cqlata mreja. Moje da imash i 10 otdelni downstrema
razpredeleni po razlichni chasti na mrejata ti. Taka che problem s
plytnostta na pokritieto ne syshtestvuva. Ako ima nujda moje da se postigne
ogromna, ogromna plytnost na pokritieto, syotvetno ogromen sumaren
kapacitet.

> Ima si razni specifiki v prodavaneto na uslugi vyrhu takiva mreji, poradi
tova che se namirat "inteligentni" useri koito si bazikat modemite. Ima si i
resheniq po vyprosa. Na praktika pri dobre postroena kabelna i data mreja
kabelniq operator moje da predostavq _garantiran_ kapacitet prez VPN ot
tochka do tochka.
>
> Za cenite: 1DOWN/1UP Routed mode CMTS sys vgraden upconvertor (kojto stava
za startirane na usluga v malyk kabelen operator) ot Cisco struva okolo
14000 USD list price(!)
> za 1DOWN/4UP syshtite parametri pak ot Cisco list price cenata e 23000USD
> Pri po-golemite i plytni jeleza cenite sa okolo 30000 USD na downstrem pri
otnoshenie 1/4 DS/US. tova list price.

>
> Znaem che ima i drugi vendori (Juniper, ADC), ima i nachin za kupuvane na
staro (e-bay, bratovched mi kojto jivee v USA).
> You have the right to choose.
>
> BR,
> Boyan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peyo Hristov [mailto:netadmin@xxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: lug-bg: Prenasochwane na trafik
>
>
> úÄÒÁ×ÅÊÔÅ.
> íÎÏÇÏ ÒÑÄËÏ ÐÉÛÁ × ÌÉÓÔÁ É ÚÁÔÏ×Á ÓßÍ ÎÅÐÏÚÎÁÔ ÎÁ ÍÎÏÇÏ ÈÏÒÁ.
> éÓËÁÍ ÄÁ ÓÅ ÏÂßÒÎÁ ËßÍ ×ÓÉÞËÉ, ËÏÉÔÏ ÉÍÁÔ ÐÒÏÂÌÅÍÉ Ó ËÁÂÅÌÎÉÑ éÎÔÅÒÎÅÔ,
> ÄÏÓÔÁ×ÞÉË É ÍÏÄÅÍ.
> ïÔÎÏÓÎÏ ÐÒÅÎÁÓÏÞ×ÁÎÅÔÏ ÎÁ ÔÒÁÆÉË. ëÁËÔÏ ×ÅÞÅ ÓÅ ÐÉÓÁ × ÐÒÅÄÉÛÎÏ ÓßÏÂÝÅÎÉÅ
ÐÏ
> ÔÅÍÁÔÁ, ÉÍÁ ÞÕÄÅÓÎÏ ÒÅÛÅÎÉÅ ÚÁ ÔÏ×Á. îÏ ÉÄÅÑÔÁ Å ÄÒÕÇÁ.
> óÁÍÉÉÑÔ ÄÏÓÔÁ×ÞÉË ÎÉËÏÇÁ ÎÑÍÁ ÄÁ ÓÅ ÎÁ×ÉÅ ÎÁ ÔÁËß× ×ÁÒÉÁÎÔ ÚÁÝÏÔÏ:
> 1. îÏÓÅÝÁÔÁ ÓÒÅÄÁ × ÓÌÕÞÁÑ Å ËÏÁËÓÉÁÌÅÎ ËÁÂÅÌ. òÁÄÉÏ-ÞÅÓÔÏÔÎÁÔÁ ÉÎÔÅÒÆÅÊÓ
> ÓÐÅÃÉÆÉËÁÃÉÑ DOCSIS 1.0, 1.1, 2.0(Data Over Cable System Interface
> Specification) http://www.cablelabs.com ÄÅÆÉÎÉÒÁ ÉÚÐÏÌÚ×ÁÎÅÔÏ ÎÁ ÓÌÅÄÎÉÔÅ
> ÔÉÐÏ×Å ÍÏÄÕÌÁÃÉÉ :
> QPSK, 16QAM, 64QAM, 256QAM
> ëÁÔÏ ÃÑÌÏ, ÓÈÅÍÁÔÁ ÎÁ ÍÒÅÖÁÔÁ ÉÚÇÌÅÊÄÁ ÐÏ ÓÌÅÄÎÉÑÔ ÎÁÞÉÎ:
>
> ËÏÍÐÀÔßÒ->ËÁÂÅÌÅÎ ÍÏÄÅÍ->coax->CMTS(Cable modem termination system)->Inet
> center->Internet
>
> ÔÏ×Á ÎÁ ËÏÅÔÏ ÉÓËÁÍ ÄÁ ÏÂßÒÎÁ ×ÎÉÍÁÎÉÅ Å ÓÌÅÄÎÏÔÏ:
> 1. CMTS ÏÔÇÏ×ÁÒÑ ÚÁ ÏËÏÌÏ 1000 ÍÏÄÅÍÁ.
> 2. CMTS ÉÍÁ Ä×Á ÏÓÎÏ×ÎÉ ËÁÎÁÌÁ - Upstream(CM->CMTS) É Downstrem(CMTS->CM)
> ÐÏ-ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ËÁÚÁÎÏ - ÐÒÅÚ Downstream ÍÉÎÁ×Á Download, ÐÒÅÚ Upstream -
Upload.
> 3. DOWNSTREAM ËÁÎÁÌÁ ÏÂÉËÎÏ×ÅÎÏ Å ÓÁÍÏ ÅÄÉÎ. íÏÄÕÌÁÃÉÉÔÅ, ËÏÉÔÏ ÉÚÐÏÌÚ×Á
ÓÁ
> 64QAM É 256QAM. íÁËÓÉÍÁÌÎÏÔÏ ËÏÌÉÞÅÓÔ×Ï ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÑ, ËÏÑÔÏ ÔÏÚÉ ËÁÎÁÌ ÍÏÖÅ
ÄÁ
> ÐÒÅÄÁ×Á Å ÏËÏÌÏ 52Mbps. ïÂÝÏ ÚÁ ×ÓÉÞËÉ ÍÏÄÅÍÉ ÐÒÉ 256QAM.
> 4. Upstream ÒÁÂÏÔÉ Ó ÍÏÄÕÌÁÃÉÉ QPSK É 16QAM(ôÏ×Á ÓÁ ÔÅÏÒÉÔÉÞÎÏ 10Mbps max)
> => ×ÓÑËÁ ÄÏÐßÌÎÉÔÅÌÎÁ ÕÓÌÕÇÁ ÎÁ ÍÁÛÉÎÁ ÚÁÄ CMTS ÎÅÉÍÏ×ÅÒÎÏ Õ×ÅÌÉÞÁ×Á
ÔÒÁÆÉËÁ
> É ÓßÏÔ×ÅÔÎÏ ÉÚÄßÎ×Á ÔÒÁÆÉË ÐÏÌÉÔÉËÁÔÁ ÎÁ ÄÏÓÔÁ×ÞÉËÁ. äÁÖÅ ÔÒÁÆÉË
ÍÏÄÅÍ-ÍÏÄÅÍ
> ÎÁÔÏ×ÁÒ×Á É Ä×ÁÔÁ ËÁÎÁÌÁ., ÚÁÝÏÔÏ ×ÓÉÞËÏ ÍÉÎÁ×Á ÐÒÅÚ CMTS. îÁ ÄÏÓÔÁ×ÞÉËÁ
ÍÕ
> ÉÚÌÉÚÁ Ô×ßÒÄÅ ÓËßÐÏ ×ÓÅËÉ ÓÌÅÄ×ÁÝ CMTS ÓÁÍÏ ÄÁ ÏÓÉÇÕÒÉ ÄÏÐßÌÎÉÔÅÌÎÉ ÕÓÌÕÇÉ
> Í/Õ ÁÂÏÎÁÔÉÔÅ(ÏËÏÌÏ $38000 ÚÁ CMTS).
> 5. óÁÍÁÔÁ ÓÈÅÍÁ ÎÁ ÉÎÉÃÉÁÌÉÚÁÃÉÑ ÎÁ ËÁÂÅÌÎÉÑÔ ÍÏÄÅÍ Å Ô×ßÒÄÅ ÓÌÏÖÎÁ. ôÑ
> Á×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÎÏ ÐÒÁ×É ÚÁÄÁ×ÁÎÅÔÏ ÎÁ ÒÅÁÌÎÉ IP-ta ÎÁ ÍÏÄÅÍÉÔÅ Ô×ßÒÄÅ ÓÌÏÖÎÏ É
> ÒÉÓËÏ×ÁÎÏ. óÈÅÍÁÔÁ Å ÓÌÅÄÎÁÔÁ:
> .....Upstream i Downstream ÞÅÓÔÏÔÉ ->ïÐÒÅÄÅÌÑÎÁ ÎÁ ÐÁÒÁÍÅÔÒÉÔÅ
> - õÓÔÁÎÏ×Ñ×ÁÎÅ ÎÁ IP ×ÒßÚËÁ(íÏÄÅÍÁ ÐÏÌÕÞÁ×Á IP ÐÒÅÚ DHCP úáäÿìöéôåìîï)
> - õÓÔÁÎÏ×Ñ×ÁÎÅ ÐÁÒÁÍÅÔÒÉÔÅ ÎÁ ÍÏÄÅÍÁ(÷ DHCP Å ÕËÁÚÁÎ ÆÁÊÌ, ËÏÊÔÏ ÍÏÄÅÍÁ
> ÔÒÑÂ×Á ÄÁ ÉÚÔÅÇÌÉ ÏÔ TFTP ÓßÒ×ßÒ. ôÏÚÉ ÆÁÊÌ Å md5 ËÒÉÐÔÉÒÁÎ. ÷ ÎÅÇÏ Å
> ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÑÔÁ ÚÁ Upstream i Downstream ÞÅÓÔÏÔÉ, ËÏÉÔÏ ÄÁ ÉÚÐÏÌÚ×Á ÐÒÉ
> ÓÌÅÄ×ÁÝÏ ×ÒßÚ×ÁÎÅ, ÍÉÎ. ÇÁÒÁÎÔÉÒÁÎÁ É ÍÁËÓÉÍÁÌÎÁ ÓËÏÒÏÓÔ, ËÏÑÔÏ Å
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> ÉÚÐÏÌÚ×Á, SNMP ÎÁÓÔÒÏÊËÉ ÎÁ ÍÏÄÅÍÁ É ÍÎÏÇÏ ÄÒÕÇÉ ÒÁÂÏÔÉ.)
> ôÏÚÉ ÆÁÊÌ(ÁËÏ Å ÄÏÂÒÅ ÎÁÐÒÁ×ÅÎ) Å ÕÎÉËÁÌÅÎ ÚÁ ×ÓÅËÉ ÍÏÄÅÌ ÍÏÄÅÍÉ.
> þÁË ÓÌÅÄ ×ÓÉÞËÉÔÅ ÔÅÚÉ ÎÅÝÁ, ÉÄ×Á ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁÃÉÑÔÁ × CMTS..
>
> é ÐÁË ÐÏ×ÔÁÒÑÍ. Downstream(1) i Upstream ËÁÎÁÌÉÔÅ(max 8 Upstreams) ÓÁ ÏÂÝÉ
> ÚÁ ãñìáôá ÍÒÅÖÁ ÎÁ ÄÏÓÔÁ×ÞÉËÁ(ËÁÂÅÌÁÒËÁÔÁ).óËÏÒÏÓÔÉÔÅ ÓÁ ÏÂÝÉ ÚÁ ×ÓÉÞËÉ.
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>
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> ÎÅÝÁ.
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> ÐÏÚ×ÏÌÑÔ ÐÒÅÎÁÓÏÞ×ÁÎÅ".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter An. Zyumbilev" <bivol@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:28 AM
> Subject: RE: lug-bg: Prenasochwane na trafik
>
>
> > zonedit.com,no-ip.com,dyndns.org
> >
> > Peter An. Zyumbilev
> > Web Developer & Administrator
> > BIVOL BULGARIA
> > email: bivol@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:bivol@xxxxxxxxx>
> > tel.:+359 88 966940
> > web: http://www.bivol.net <http://www.bivol.net>
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Boyan Krosnov
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:52 PM
> > > To: lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: lug-bg: Prenasochwane na trafik
> > >
> > >
> > > instaliraj si socks5 server na vynshniq server.
> > > taka mojesh da si napravish "iznesen" tcp/ip stek na mashinata na
> > > koqto e servera.
> > > sled tova shte trqbwa da prekompilirash ftp servera da raboti s
> > > izneseniq tcp/ip stek prez socks protokola vmesto da si govori s
> > > lokalniq tcp/ip stek.
> > > ima edna bibliotechka libsocks. Twyrdenieto e che mojesh i bez da
> > > prekompilirash da postignesh efekta kato PRELOAD-vash
> > > bibliotekata v environmenta v kojto se startira prilojenieto.
> > > prilojenieto si misli che otvarq da slusha na port a libsocks
> > > shte obqsnqva na socks servera da vyrshi rabotata vmesto lokalniq
> > > stek. Tova obache ne sym go probval.
> > >
> > > mojesh da napravish i po drug nachin.
> > > tcp konekciq vyrhu neq ppp mejdu twoeto pc i mashinata na koqto
> > > imash shell vyrhu ppp-to veche mojesh da si tyrkalqsh kakvoto iskash.
> > > mojesh da postignesh syshtiq efekt sys ppp vyrhu ssh ili drug
> > > tunelen mehanizym
> > > v naj-loshiq sluchaj razgledaj
> > > http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html ako tova ne mine
> > > prez dostavchika ti nqma kakvo drugo :)
> > >
> > > Boyan Krosnov, CCIE#8701
> > > http://boyan.ludost.net/
> > > just another techie speaking for himself
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: áÔÁÎÁÓ íÁ×ÒÏ× [mailto:bugar@xxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 11:15 PM
> > > To: lug-bg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: lug-bg: Prenasochwane na trafik
> > >
> > >
> > > úÄÒÁ×ÅÊÔÅ,
> > > ÚÎÁÞÉ ÉÍÁÍ ÓÌÅÄÎÏÔÏ ÐÏÌÏÖÅÎÉÅ:
> > > äÏÓÔÁ×ÞÉË ÎÁ ÉÎÔÅÒÎÅÔ /ËÁÂÅÌÅÎ/, ËÏÊÔÏ ÏÂÁÞÅ ÏÔËÁÚ×Á ÄÁ ÄÁÄÅ ÒÅÁÌÎ
> > > Ï IP, ÎÉÔÏ
> > > ÄÁ ÐÒÅÎÁÓÏÞÉ ÎÑËÏÊ ÐÏÒÔ ËßÍ ÍÏÑ ËÏÍÐÀÔßÒ ÚÁ ÄÁ ÓÅ "×ÉÖÄÁ" ÏÔ ×ßÎ,
> > > Á É ×ÓÉÞËÉÑ
> > > ÔÒÁÆÉË ÍÉÎÁ×Á ÐÒÅÚ ÐÒÏÚÒÁÞÎÏ ÐÒÏËÓÉ. ëÁËÔÏ É ÄÁ Å ×ßÐÒÏÓßÔ Å ÍÏÇÁ ÌÉ
ÐÏ
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> > > /ÐÒÉÍÅÒÎÏ ÄÏ ftp/. éÄÅÑÔÁ ÍÉ Å /ÎÏ ÎÅ ÚÎÁÍ ÉÚÏÂÝÏ ÄÁÌÉ ÌÏÇÉËÁÔÁ É
> > > Å ×ÑÒÎÁ/,
> > > ÁËÏ ÓÅ ÎÁÐÒÁ×É ÎÁ ×ßÎÛÎÁ ÚÁ ÍÒÅÖÁÔÁ ÍÁÛÉÎÁ "ÐÒÉÌÏÖÅÎÉÅ" /ÐÒÉÍÅÒÎÏ
> > > ÎÑËÏÊ free
> > > web ÉÌÉ free shell/, É ÐÒÅÚ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎ ÉÎÔÅÒ×ÁÌ ÏÔ ×ÒÅÍÅ ÍÏÑ ËÏÍÐÀÔßÒ
> > > ÐÒÏ×ÅÒÑ×Á ÉÍÁ ÌÉ ÚÁÑ×ËÁ ËßÍ "ÐÒÉÌÏÖÅÎÉÅÔÏ" É ÓÅ ÐÒÅÎÁÓÏÞÉ ÔÒÁÆÉËÁ
> > > ÔÁËÁ, ÓÑËÁÛ
> > > ÍÏÑ ËÏÍÐÀÔßÒ Å ËÌÉÅÎÔ. îÅ ÚÎÁÍ ÄÁÌÉ ÉÚÏÂÝÏ ÍÏÖÅ ÄÁ ÓÅ ÎÁÐÒÁ×É ÎÅÝÏ
> > >  ÔÁËÏ×Á É
> > > ÁËÏ ÍÏÖÅ ËÁË. áËÏ ÎÑËÏÊ ÉÍÁ ÉÄÅÑ ÝÅ ÓßÍ ÍÕ ÂÌÁÇÏÄÁÒÅÎ ÄÁ Ñ ÓÐÏÄÅÌÉ
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